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Title: Value of badges
Post by: Magpie on September 01, 2011, 11:34:43 PM
I am still in shock at seeing price that the "London Hospital badge went for on ebay - 295.50 for anyone that didn't see it. I know that it was a 1940's era but wow!! Congratulations to the lucky person that got it I am very envious!!
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: wilfb on September 02, 2011, 09:04:33 AM
Well, yes - a very nice badge - hopefully for someone to treasure. But it did break (I believe) a piece of nursing history, in that the separately accompanying GNC badge went to a another bidder for only 25 pounds or so including postage. There is never a guarantee of course that the second badge (GNC) would have been obtained for a similar sum (maybe 330) for a complete badge 'set' - or even at all, and of course not everyone collects sets (or can afford to).

I think, however, that it is a great shame that sellers separate these badges - sometimes accidentally - sometimes with the profit motive, but in doing so a solid piece of nursing history is lost. Probably for ever. The greater gain might be in selling sets - to the possible benefit of everyone. Perhaps we should start a 'rejoin split badges' campaign. I have personal (and pleasant) recent experience of managing to 'rejoin' two pieces of Halifax history thanks to the seller being awake and taking the trouble to awaken me also. Be nice if everything worked out so well:-

http://www.schoolsofnursing.co.uk/Newspages/Newspage020.htm

(Bottom Left col).

Still, better not to let greed and jealousy creep in, whoever won the badge has gained a precious piece of history, please don't put it in a box!!
  
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: backman on September 02, 2011, 09:41:02 AM
As we have often said on these discussion pages over the years,Value is a very nebulous concept.Ultimately price may be quite different to value.A badge is worth whatever someone is able and prepared to pay on the day.I certainly have paid well over the odds for a badge that I have coveted in the past but to others it may not have appeared to be worth anything other than for any precious metal content.I worry that the rising price of gold might see a rare prize medal go into the "Cash for Gold" smelters!!!!!!!!!!!
I just hope that the purchaser of this particular badge is pleased with their purchase and doesn't really see it as an investment as such ,rather a piece of Nursing history.
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: nursesue on September 02, 2011, 03:09:32 PM
Thats a lot of money for a badge but as Pete says " a badge is what you're prepared to pay for it" I try to set a limit when i see one I want but usually "outbid rage" gets me and I have been known to go over my limit Would I spend that much on a badge - probably not. However did get the nice Gulson/Coventry Would have liked the recent Bristol but did resist. Myk I know likes to collects sets and admire him for that and I think they should, in an ideal world, stay togther but again its down to money.
Wilf loved your recent news bulletin and read it avidly. I try and stick to my prefered areas of collecting such as Scottish and Brummie badges but as always resolve disappears and temptation kicks in......
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: katogirly on September 02, 2011, 09:42:21 PM
I am the mad bird who bought the London Hospital badge.

I know I paid more than I should but for me it was a must and I have to admit that I'm in shock as well!
I am a London trained girl who did her SEN training there - have that badge, and then went on to do the SRN training and lost that badge, Just felt bereft without my second badge. It was such a talking piece amongst people as I wore the two together with great pride. I have a bit of history about it from the seller, I would like to think that the lady who was awarded it would be happy in the knowledge it will again be loved and worn with pride by a LH nurse, (if not to scared to wear it now!). I am aware that these badges are much sort after and have waited ages for one to come available and just had to have it. (If I can get over my rashness and wonton looseness with my cash, husband thinks I've lost it!).
Your coments have made interested reading and I thank you for not calling me a complete and utter nutter  ;D!
Yours.
Katogirly.
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: Magpie on September 02, 2011, 10:54:25 PM
I'm happy for you that you have got back your hospital training school badge, wear it with pride with your other one. Just tell your husband it could have been shoes and a handbag which would have cost money but never given you so much pleasure!! Well done.
 
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: wilfb on September 02, 2011, 11:24:23 PM
Magpie!

Telling fibs to cover your tracks! But how right you are....

'Katogirly' has a magical story to tell and I would really like to hear it told - two London Hospital badges - one SEN one Registration, and then to lose one.... I am mesmerized! I am absolutely certain that the original recipient would have approved and I am well content that it is not going to be hidden in a box! (Please do not hide it in your jewellery box - a common target).  I am just so pleased for you!

Wanton! Loose! Rash! Don't even think it - your badge is something to seriously treasure. I hope that your hubby gets over the shock without too much hassle - but then, in the words of someones TV advert - it's because your worth it!

Seriously. You don't need me to tell you what your badge is worth - you obviously know that very well. But I would very much like to hear your story. I do know of Nightngale nurses who have both SEN and Registration, but I have never come across a London Hospital nurse with both.

Please, tell us about it.

Will.

Ps. Katogirly.  I have added the badge photographs both here on the forum (log-in to view - Click to enlarge/reduce) and in the English Nursing badge galleries. Best Regards, W.
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: sye1969 on September 14, 2011, 04:58:02 PM

Hi,
I am very new to forum's, never been on one before, i am a website designer/ computer programmer, but anyway, when i was 8 years old, now 41, i found a shoe box with various bits in it, i kept it right until now, and i was going through some things in the loft and came across the box again, inside it there were a few things, but the main thing is a hospital badge, i would like to know if i can find info on it, or indeed if it is worth anything or not, the badge is i think solid bronze, brass or copper, maybe you could tell me, i will give you a good descripton.

On the front it has a mule with a man leaning over to help a person laid on the floor, the words surrounding the badge is,

VADE - ET - TU - FAC - SIMILITER

On the rear is,

a pin which goes into a secure twist lock type thing, the name Lucy Ellison and under that it says, certificated nurse with the number 1123 underneath, around the outside it says, MANCHESTER ROYAL INFIRMARY - 1752 -

Hope you can help.

Thanks simon
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: sye1969 on September 14, 2011, 05:33:59 PM

Hi,
I am very new to forum's, never been on one before, i am a website designer/ computer programmer, but anyway, when i was 8 years old, now 41, i found a shoe box with various bits in it, i kept it right until now, and i was going through some things in the loft and came across the box again, inside it there were a few things, but the main thing is a hospital badge, i would like to know if i can find info on it, or indeed if it is worth anything or not, the badge is i think solid bronze, brass or copper, maybe you could tell me, i will give you a good descripton.

On the front it has a mule with a man leaning over to help a person laid on the floor, the words surrounding the badge is,

VADE - ET - TU - FAC - SIMILITER

On the rear is,

a pin which goes into a secure twist lock type thing, the name Lucy Ellison and under that it says, certificated nurse with the number 1123 underneath, around the outside it says, MANCHESTER ROYAL INFIRMARY - 1752 -

Hope you can help.

Thanks simon

P.S.
If i knew how to get pictures on here i would let you see it too, it is in mint condition, and the size is, 2 mm thick, and 38mm round.
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: wilfb on September 14, 2011, 08:08:11 PM
Hello Simon.

Having been something of a laggard today - I do apologize (I can only blame my wife!) - I will do my best to make amends. Is this the badge below? (You will have to be logged in to view the photograph).

I will mail you the detail of posting the badge if you wish, but:-

Basically you can use badges up to 128KB per post/4 per post: Advice - make sure that the picture is within 650px square.

Put it where you want it: Advice - I put them on the Desktop:

Click 'Additional options' below the text panel: Advice - browse to the photograph and select it.

Then simply 'Preview' and or 'Post' via the bottom buttons. **'Post' to fix it!

That should be 'bingo' - like this....

Then Click the photograph to enlarge/reduce sizes.

Ps. I have stolen the photograph from Peter 'backman'! He will know a lot more about about the badge/value than I ever could - no doubt he will add when he arrives. If you want the details to add to the photograph galleries please let me know. You could perhaps place your own, plus the reverse?
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: sye1969 on September 14, 2011, 10:25:24 PM

Hi Wilf,

Thank you for getting back to me and leaving a reply to my questions, and yes, this is definately the nurse badge in question, identical to the picture you added.
Will keep my eyes peeled for anymore info regarding the badge.

Best regards

Simon
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: backman on September 16, 2011, 10:13:48 AM
Hi Simon,
The badge in question was awarded to nurses who trained and qualified at the Manchester Royal Infirmary and features the Good Samaritan in the act of relieving the wounded traveller.It is taken from the Corporate Seal of the hospital which was commissioned in 1843.The latin inscription around the edge Vade et tu fac similater means go thou and do likewise.The number to the rear would identify the awardee and date of issue but you might try getting in contact with the hospitals nursing fellowship to follow up this further; http://www.cmft.nhs.uk/your-trust/our-history/nurses-fellowship.aspx
As to value,yes these are collectable but MRI badges were issued for many years and come up relatively frequently so often don't fetch too high prices unless on a good day at auction.Check out other parts of this forum for information on badge values but I'd say anywhere between 20 and 50 as an estimate.Most collectors here value the badge for it's history rather than financial value,Enjoy!
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: backman on September 16, 2011, 01:01:27 PM
Have since found the detail that the presentation of badges for the MRI began circa 1927.
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: sye1969 on September 16, 2011, 04:09:01 PM
Hi Backman,

I do not need the badge backman, i was 8 year old now 41 when i found it in a box with some other bits, your replys are greatly recieved.

don't really know what to do with it,

thank you
simon
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: Sarah Rogers on October 23, 2011, 06:43:13 PM
Hi katogirly, just to say that as a londoner also and at a recent reunion ( and on the London hospital facebook page book , please do join and come to a reunion!) there was much talk about your purchase......but if you report the loss to the london ( the league of nurses)you can be given someone elses after 1 year !!(they have lots in the safe, as they are "meant"!!! to go back once we die! ...... I never remmeber seeing an sen with your style badge....
do come to a reunion, we are all ages, and ut can count towards "prep" .... Lizzie
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: olicat on February 14, 2012, 11:15:43 AM

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Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: rogartdog on February 25, 2012, 03:55:31 PM
Hello everyone. I am a 'new girl' to this website, but have been looking for something like this for ages; and am only glad that this forum exists! 
Anyway, regarding this topic; I was absolutely shocked to see that the 'West Lothian college of Nursing' badge, currently on ebay, was originally on for offers STARTING at 59.00. I see it didn't sell, and is now on 'to buy' at 56.  (As an aside, I see it is stated that it from 1959. I am sure this is incorrect, because West Lothian college wasn't in existence until at least the mid 70's).

On a slightly different note, can anyone advise me as to whether there are any other websites where you have a potential opportunity to by nursing badges, other than ebay and the 'Sally Bosley' site?  Any information would be much appreciated. Thank you!
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: Sarah Rogers on February 25, 2012, 04:49:56 PM
hi, that sellers badges often seem a little higher than others..but often go....supply and demand. we have checked nay antiques places and have so far only found 1 badge...perhaps i am finding another keen collector around! As another newbie they do seem rather like hens teeth!Good luck
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: myk1066 on February 26, 2012, 11:22:17 AM
Hi there
Another potential source is to do swaps with people.  Sally can be quite expensive. Myk1066
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: nursesue on February 27, 2012, 09:36:11 AM
hi - I have done swaps and this is a nice way to get a badge you want. I recently had a successful and wonderful swaps with Barry - getting badges that I have never seen on ebay or Sallys sites. I have bought off Sally's site and am very tempted by her Hereford but its beyond my price limit.........
As for the Lothian badge I would have bought it at that price if I Hadn't already got it - perhaps we could persuade Wilf do  do  a swap corner????!!!! Pete was thinking about selling some of items (see his posting  "closing down sale") Did offer to swap a nice 50 note for his tommies but alas no reply LOL!!!!
I have always found that badge prices on ebay can go in swings and roundabouts - sometimes they all go for big bucks and there are periods when they go for sensible money. I have noted that if a badge goes for high money it seems to bring a glut of same badge from others trying to cash in.
Its not just nursing badges that this happens to - a recent very guide interest badge ( about size of 10p) went  for over 100 and even some golly badges can command big prices.
When I started to collect badges London area badges were always out my price range and that started me specialising in Scottish and Brum badges as these were more sensibly priced - then Liverpool badges went and rocketed and was surprised to see the recent Liverpool SEN badge sell sensibly As for the scottish ones well they're rocketing - check out the Kilmarnock.
I have a very nice spare Myddleton maty if any interested in swap................
sue ;)
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: rogartdog on February 27, 2012, 09:18:38 PM
Thank you everyone, who was kind enough to answer my query about where you can purchase nursing badges from.  Most grateful

Does anyone happen know as to whether the 'Sick Kids' Glasgow hospital had a badge?  I suspect it did, though have never seen one (despite me being a Glaswegian!)
 
Also, am trying to find  - a photo even! of the Carstairs hospital badge. Does anyone know what it looked like?  Would be most interested.

Thank you.

Susan
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: rogartdog on February 27, 2012, 09:45:47 PM
P.S.  I see that just tonight, a photo of the Glasgow 'Sick Kids' badge ( green, presumably E.N)  has just appeared on the Scottish section of badges. How fortutious!
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: markwatson on February 28, 2012, 04:18:36 AM
hi rogartdog what scottish badges are you interested in buying /  swapping
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: nursesue on February 28, 2012, 08:39:24 AM
hi I am the lucky owner of the Glasgow sick kids I also believe thats  its the SEN version I missed out on Leigh's blue version as it went a bit beyond my budget but i will get one - one day....
not sure if I have a Cartstairs
sue
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: rogartdog on February 28, 2012, 10:31:07 PM
Thank albeit you for your message.

Having been an i/p in the Glasgow 'sick kids' hospital; albeit many years ago, I should have recalled that there was a training badge. And what a badge too. Really beautiful.

As far as Scottish badges are concerned, I am especially interested in both the Royal Infirmary Edinburgh  'Pelican' badge; both the 'Nurses League' badge, and also the SEN 'Pelican' badge.

I am also interested in - even  seeing!, a photo of the 'Special' Scottish hospital 'Carstairs' hospital badge

Thank you.
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: nursesue on February 29, 2012, 08:18:35 AM
hi alas no luck I don't have a carstairs I think that there is an RIE  on as a buy it now on ebay. Scottish badge prices are definately rising  a few years ago I was able to pick them up for reasonable prices. I was able to  get 2 nice ones via Barry finding a recent swapping session. It has taken me a long time to acquire a glasgow sick kids - i also have 2 edinburgh sick kids and an Aberdeen sick kids. Have had no luck in tracking down an edinburgh SEN or nurses league badges
Oh and yes I did get tempted by a badge on Sally's site today and not the coveted Hereford!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: Sarah Rogers on February 29, 2012, 09:09:02 AM
a lovely badge sue, and sold already! ..if its the newest one on!
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: nursesue on February 29, 2012, 08:03:42 PM
guilty as charged I trained at good hope and have the blue maltese cross version I can't recall this version but a good price and have never seen one before so am thrilled to have got it ::) ;D
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: rogartdog on February 29, 2012, 10:14:40 PM
Hello,
Thanks for checking about the Carstairs badge Sue. Sorry you don't have one, - I will just have to keep looking!
Yes you are right, there is an RIE 'Pelican' badge on ebay currently; however it is the older 'School of Nursing' as opposed to the 'Nurses League' one. Both are stunning in my opinion.. There is also an SEN version of the 'Pelican' badge. It's a different shape, but equally as lovely. ( can provide a web address for a photo, if anyone is interested)

Not surpised you bought that lovely badge today Sue!
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: nursesue on February 29, 2012, 10:22:52 PM
I would really love to see a photo - then i can get very envious and put another badge on my wishlist. One of my fave badges is the Leith as well as my own hard earned ones!!
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: rogartdog on March 01, 2012, 12:25:00 PM
I agree. The Leith badge is a very lovely one. Suspect not that many of them around, as it was never a big hospital - from what I remember anyway!

Here ( hopefully!) is the address for the SEN RIE badge, as well as other old Edinburgh badges. Enjoy!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49439570@N08/sets/72157625849589925/with/5416110068/
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: nursesue on March 01, 2012, 06:45:28 PM
my green and envy head is on - stunning badges Mooched through the site and its really interesting Thanks x
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: rogartdog on March 01, 2012, 10:58:58 PM
No problem Sue. Glad that you enjoyed them, - and indeed the web address worked!.

Had you ever seen the RIE / SEN before?
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: nursesue on March 02, 2012, 03:21:10 PM
hi have to confess I hadn't seen the SEN version before - i do remember the nurse league one but haven't seen a pic in a long while so it was nice to see again. Barry has an extensive collection and am wondering if he has a Carstairs So thats another edinburgh badge on my hit list but i guess if the ERI SEN did come up for sale it would be beyond my budget  Now if i could only get 6 numbers on the euro lottery!!!!
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: wilfb on March 02, 2012, 07:48:24 PM
OK...

27/13/17/54/43/33

Will.
(With Apologies!).
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: barrysutton on March 03, 2012, 09:23:13 AM
I might be suffering from a bit of stupidity but I don't know what the 'Carstairs' badge looks like?
Also with regards an S.E.N. (M) Netley badge, I hope that you've not confused this with the SEN (M) Army School of Phyciatric Nursing badge (green rim - with the chapel of Netley in the centre - in chrome/enamel), if its a Netley version it should be H.M. (I don't have one).
All the best,
Barry
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: wilfb on March 03, 2012, 09:58:22 AM
Hi Barry.

I sincerely doubt any stupidity on your part!  'Carstairs' more often than not refers to the special hospital at that location. A misnomer perhaps, but to those 'in the know' there was only one 'Carstairs'. Along with Broadmoor; Moss Side; Park Lane; and Rampton....

Best.
Will.
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: rogartdog on March 04, 2012, 04:57:27 PM
I see that there are 4 or 5 nursing badges on the 'badgecollector' website today.
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: Sarah Rogers on March 06, 2012, 08:03:15 AM
Hi, please can you give me the web address for the badgecollector website? thanks Lizzie
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: backman on March 06, 2012, 08:45:10 AM
http://www.badgecollectorscircle.co.uk/badges#filter/=true&id=0&opts=query:nurse&type=badge&order=title&direction=DESC&page=1

I also have several unidentified badges on there which I am trying to confirm locations of if anyone can help.The badge Collectors group have been around for years and in the past have produced some excellent articles on dating badges from their makers marks.
Title: Re: Value of Badges - Background.
Post by: Arthurian on March 06, 2012, 01:24:47 PM
The 'Publication' of the pictures of the London SEN Badge was very welcome, [Thanks Wilf, I had NEVER seen an SEN Badge from the London.] Apart from it's association with Sir Frederic Treves and John Merrick - The 'Elephant Man' the London appears in the Start-up credits of the early 'Heartbeat' T.V. series and in the John Thaw Film 'Goodnight Mister Tom'. 

The United Manchester Hospitals Large Copper[Bronze?] Badge Illustrated above has a 'Vesica Pecis' [Zulu Shield] Shaped 'Variant' Badge issued to 'Physiotherapists' trained there, This Also shows the 'Good Samaritan' on the badge.
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: jan on March 06, 2012, 09:02:16 PM
I trawled through the gallery of English nursing badges - the whole 136 pages of it and still could not find one of my nursing badges I received from Prestwich School of Nursing, part of Salford RMN 1982.

There are a few badges from Salford listed but not mine..?
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: wilfb on March 07, 2012, 11:20:28 AM
Hi Jan.

No, we don't seem to have that one! Now that is dissapointing.... Are you able to send (email or upload) a photograph?

We have over 2,600 nursing badges - but please remember that they are all donated by members - we obviously don't have them all, but we are working on it....

This is the link for our search facility in the galleries. Save yourself a lot of hassle - just enter the name you want, eg 'Prestwich' and if the badge is there it will appear :-

http://www.schoolsofnursing.co.uk/gallery/search.php

There is also a differnt search facility in the forum (for a different purpose) - but whatever that throws up it will probably be text, although you never know... There are a couple of things that you can do:-

1. Send us a photograph of the badge.
2. Hope that one of our members will have one and upload it.
2. Go to nursingbadges at 'Multiply' http://nursingbadges.multiply.com/
3. Try 'flicker' photographs - eg: http://www.flickr.com/photos/backmanmal/3387604281/in/set-72157615858909155/
4. Check our site here:- http://www.schoolsofnursing.co.uk/

Fill in the search boxes wherever you go - it is much faster jan.

Hopefully someone will come up with the badge before you need to do all that...

Best Regards.
Will.
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: Sarah Rogers on March 10, 2012, 10:00:16 AM
Hi, did any one see the price of the lovely north edinburgh before it got bought off sallys site this mornng? .thanks Lizzie
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: rogartdog on March 10, 2012, 07:00:07 PM
Hello Lizzie,

I didn't see the price; however I note that it is still on Sally's site ( 7pm Saturday)   Is it the one that was on ebay?
I agree with you, it is a beauty. I remember the nurses wearing them - it was my training hospital; though by the time I trained ( early 80's) we received the 'Lothian College' badge
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: Sarah Rogers on March 11, 2012, 11:42:42 AM
hi, i dont think so as that has n tab across the top..i have a western general... but itmar have been the one on sallys ..no telling without a tab across the top! Lizzie
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: nursesue on March 14, 2012, 08:25:41 PM
ok confession time I got Sally's lovely North Edinburgh as you can see it matches my other Edinburghs. As for the one on ebay that bokojnr is selling I was tempted but think that its missing its top name bar - however i have seen 1 or 2 top bars for sale on ebay before. It was a little more than I normally pay but just had to have it!!! ::)
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: wilfb on March 14, 2012, 09:37:56 PM
Hi Sue.

You did say that you were going to post a picture. And that is a picture! Absolute magic!

And yes, the bokojnr badge is missing it's top bar - but then you already have one - or three.....

Just in case anyone isn't in the loop, you will only see the pictures in the forum if you are logged-in. Clicking on the pictures enlarges them....
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: Sarah Rogers on March 15, 2012, 08:47:22 AM
hi Sue, they are beautiful... the one on ebay is from the 1950s(hallmark/) so that wold help to work out which one it is/was? thanks for posting  Lizzie
Title: Re: Value of badges
Post by: rogartdog on March 15, 2012, 08:11:20 PM
I agree, they ARE fantastic, and having such a fondness for the Western General Hospital, where I started my RGN, (but completed at the RIE - long story!)
I well remember the nurses wearing them; and funnily enough even a particular staff nurse - even after all these years! ( early 80's)